Sunday, March 30, 2008

fired from public accounting?

This is to address a posted question here..."do people ever get fired or let go from Big 4and for what reasons?"

Fired -
Yes, people do get fired, and this is pretty much for the same reasons anyone gets fired from a company. Wrongdoings, Extended unexplained absences, etc. I know of a person who got fired for being "caught in the act" at work. If I were to go into it in detail, this would turn into an adult entertainment blog. Another kid got fired for complete disrespect of authority. And there are quite a few other instances that led to different firings at the big 4.

Layoffs -
Now this is where it gets interesting. For my firm for example, it really depends on the region. In some regions, there are a decent amount of clients and the firms are desperate for people, like in the east coast of the US. In some regions, like the southern states, layoffs have occured due to a lack of enough clientele to keep them busy through the year. The new term that hr uses nowadays is "counseled out", wherein our counselors, or mentors within the firm (each individual gets mentors within the firm when they start) call them in and essentially tell them why they're being laid off. One kid got counseled out for a lack of quality effort on his part. They essentially had to weed out a few personnel to get their revenues and expenses to balance out on the profit side.
I don't want to jinx it, but in my case for example, I could go up to the partner and punch him in the face, and i'd probably get taken off his clients, but I won't get fired since they need me. And believe me, I'm not saying this because I might be good at what I do, any fool who's in a senior position or higher will probably be treated the same as me. Firms are going out and hiring extremely aggressively these days even though the economy is in doldrums.

That's probably one of the best things about this field. If job security is your highest priority when looking for a job, this is it. I'd highly recommend public accounting. Why? Because unlike investment banking, it is not deal-oriented. We get a steady stream of income from existing clients and clients do not drop us that often. For a company to drop a big 4 accounting firm, it must have a valid reason. Investors will be suspicious if companies switch auditors. So as startups and other growth companies need "name-brand" auditors to get bigger loans, the big 4 get more clients and thus more revenue. As much as people whine about this job, job security is usually at the bottom of the list of complaints.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi

What are the dumbest things your co-workers have ever done whilst on the job?

Thanks

Anonymous said...

i hate auditing so much. i am counting down the days until i am qualified and then I can leave!!!

Krupo said...

Agreed on job sec, especially in 'pure' audit.

If you're in the 'advisory'/consulting side of any of these companies, though, watch out, as the market there is especially more cyclical.

Most firms rely on people quitting like anonymous #2, keeping the 'pyramid' of staff triangular enough.

Anonymous said...

I just discovered your blog after Googling "Peter Olinto" out of curiosity to see what other people thought of him. I realize that post was from last year, but I've been reading all your other entries since, and had to comment on this one. (btw, the reason I kept reading was because I was screaming "hear! hear!" reading your opinions on Olinto and Gearty. If Gearty said "Notice" one more time I was going to hunt him down and shoot him.)

I also completely agree with you on the job security. I recently quit my job at a Big 4 because I was so miserable, and my co-worker summed it up best: "There are the people who stay because they're either really enjoying it or they are being groomed. Then there's everyone else. Of everyone else, it's those who just can't stand all the bullshit who will always make room for those who can. So what you end up with at the upper end of the pyramid isn't necessarily the best and the brightest, just the ones with the highest tolerance for bullshit."

My firm rarely fired, though they did "counsel out" one 2nd year staff while I was there. They just couldn't afford to fire, because they never know how many are going to quit.