It is amazing how much companies and recruiters value the big 4 experience. The multitude of calls and emails telling us about job openings and public and private companies is proof of this. They're constantly telling us that these companies are looking for auditors with 3-5+ years of business experience. Why is this the case? Well, I think it's analagous to the hiring at private equity firms and investment banks, they primarily hire people either from other private equity firms, investment banks, or ivy league colleges.
There are still a ton of equally talented and smart individuals from other colleges or companies, but the private equity firms and investment banks are primary comprised of ivy leaguers and bankers, so they tend to show preferential treatment to individuals with similar backgrounds since they already know the type of experience these individuals had. The accounting groups at public companies are primarily headed up by people with public accounting experience, so they like going for individuals who went through the similar brutal work experience through their first few years at the big 4 firms. Accountants at companies hate dealing with auditors, but they understand that auditors work their tail off. Strong work ethic is one of the biggest reasons why the head of the accounting group loves hiring auditors. Don't get me wrong - it's not because we inherently have a strong work ethic, it's because we were forced to develop a strong work ethic. I recently spoke to the head of an accounting group who hired somebody from the big 4 last year, and he told me that their recruiter was advised to hire exclusively from the big 4. When the interviewers came in though, they all wanted a work-life balance (nothing wrong with that, except they implicitly stated that they preferred 9-5). So the company took a while to find that one auditor who realized that it might not be the be ideal expressing that 9-5 was imperative. Companies are not hiring from the big 4 if they're easy jobs that anyone can do, they want people who can work their tail off when it matters. Another reason is the ability to research effectively. Companies always run into issues and need to learn how to account for the issues, and auditors have been trained to research and figure out how to interpret the complex accounting guidance, which can be vague at times.
Deadlines are another reason. We're so used to short-term deadlines, our work pace has been trained to finish whole audits in weeks. So when alums get projects and 3 month deadlines, they're usually done in weeks and are ready for the next one. Communication is another big asset we develop, we're always talking to clients and dealing with different personnel, and you really get to hone your communication skills. Leadership is another tenet they look for. Seniors are already leading teams 3 years out of college. When you quit and join another company, you shouldn't have any problem leading teams of 2-3 people. Wow I just rattled off all the kool-aid points right there. All this being said, this is just from their perspective. Are there worthy people out there who don't work in the big 4 who should be getting these offers? Absolutely. Are there people in the big 4 who are not deserving of these jobs and only getting it because of the big 4 name? Definitely. Good thing is, unlike the investment banks, non big 4 accountants have a decent chance to get different jobs out there, so it's definitely not the only way thankfully. So in the end, is the big 4 experience overrated? There's no yes and no answer. I think recruiters over-value big 4 experience, but there's definitely some added value to hiring them. Now that being said, if I start a company and had to hire a controller, I'd go for someone who has big 4 experience, not going to lie. This is only because I know what I'm buying. There are gems who don't work in the big 4, but sadly it's the familiarity bias playing out.
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How will having that on my resume be viewed when I apply for accounting positions??
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Overall, I think hiring someone with big4 experience makes it more likely you'll get a quality candidate.
p.s. For readability, can you break your longer posts into more paragraphs? Thanks!
The same cannot be said for other people who work in smaller firms. Not becaus they do not work hard (they do!), but the odds of them working on a wide variety of issues is lower.
Having said that i think the Big 4 experience is not overrated. On the other hand i think what non-Big 4 candidates bring to the table is also great. its just a matter of what the potential employer is looking for.
They may have wide industry experience, but all they might know is SOX. While someone from an internal division private or government knows more than one compliance area.
While they have some very good compliance knowledge, I have found better and more broad knowledge in individuals from private corporations and government.
As far as work ethic and ability to lead and manage, many of the non big 4 auditors have spent time managing departments and not 3-4 people on an audit team. My last time around working with our external Big 4 auditors on SOX, I had to call them back in because they had read all the IT data wrong and passed a control that actually had a 30% fail rate.
Maybe in finance I would feel more comfortable with the big 4, but with the auditors they assigned to the IT side, most have no idea what they are doing other than following audit steps because they are not IT dedicated.
it's sucking the life out of me.
but when i think of all those years during college studying my ass off, i think i'll stay a little bit more.
I am a former Big 4 Auditor and I've been a recruiter in both agency and corporate for exclusively professionals with big 4 and large regional experience in their backgrounds.
No, Big 4 experience is far from overrated. In fact, if at all possible stay in Big 4 (audit/assurance/tax) for at least 2 if not 3 years. Keep in mind, I'm talking about the audit and tax disciplines.
Big 4 experience is ALWAYS in demand. ALWAYS.
I have been a recruiter for almost 15 years and I have not and still cannot present candidates WITHOUT Big 4 or Large Regional accounting experience to almost EVERY SINGLE ONE of the finance and corporate accounting positions I've worked. And that is not an exaggeration.
Now, if you are looking to go into investment banking, that is a bit different. But really only then.
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Of course, but this is true of every endeavor in every walk of life...
I'm sure we both know people who went to small state universities who can out-think a Harvard grad without breaking a sweat.
There are kids in an inner city public school who are more driven and when given the opportunity, outperform kids who attend the best private schools in the country.
So, it goes without saying that competency is not solely the property of the Big 4.
But the OP was not asking about competency. He was asking about marketability.
And speaking strictly from a marketability standpoint, NO. Big Four experience is NOT overrated.
It's not even close enough to warrant debate. I'm not saying that it's right or that it's fair. That's moot, frankly.
It simply is what it is.
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